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Ubat Batuk Real Simple Academy 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 18:30:00 - [1] - Quote "If it worked before it will work after"... not true. To get to the maximum bonuses on BCs which BTW I already have, I will have to re-skill 3 of them! Most people do not understand the impact of this, see when that happens! I didn't ask for this change! Today I have BC 5, I can fly all BCs with max bonuses, therefore to be fair you have to give me BC 5 for all races. If I have BC 4 I must get BC 4 for all races. Are you seriously thinking that I am going to let this happen and keep quiet? I am losing in this. I want to continue playing EVE but I am getting more and more disenfranchised for every "expansion" which I am sorry to say it doesn't expand anything except for people's rage. Where is the expansion? I would call it reconfiguration to make things easy for noobs and give hell to people who have already invested lots of bucks into EVE. Do you recall how you killed incursions for example? I would like to recommend a couple of things to CCP: 1. Get a proper CEO 2. Get proper executive management 3. For speeches and videos use actors so that you get the best result 4. Recruit someone who helps you align to your customers' needs and priorities 5. Play EVE yourself with a standard character that you must train from scratch, just like me This is my 2 cents. Rage +1
Ubat Batuk Real Simple Academy 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 18:43:00 - [2] - Quote Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote: Cyaron wars wrote: I have spent ~$15 per month and 40 days for each Battleship lvl 5 just to be able to fly all capital ships. This is roughly $90 and 6 ~5.5 months of training. Now you say that this requirements are going to be reduced and somebody else will get same product that I got ,but only for $15 and 2-3 weeks of training. I bought a computer 3 years ago for 1000$. Last week someone bought the same computer for 100$. Boy, I really feel cheated and want my money back! Also I will never buy a computer again, it's a total rip off! How can you compare a piece of hardware to EVE? did the cost of subscription go down? did SPs depreciate? wake up my friend! I agree that this change is unfair.
Ubat Batuk Real Simple Academy 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 18:47:00 - [3] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Ubat Batuk wrote: "If it worked before it will work after"... not true. To get to the maximum bonuses on BCs which BTW I already have, I will have to re-skill 3 of them! Most people do not understand the impact of this, see when that happens! I didn't ask for this change! Today I have BC 5, I can fly all BCs with max bonuses, therefore to be fair you have to give me BC 5 for all races. If I have BC 4 I must get BC 4 for all races. Are you seriously thinking that I am going to let this happen and keep quiet? I am losing in this. Were you dropped on your head as a kid, or do you just like the taste of lead paint chips? What? see what people play EVE... no comment. Sad.
Ubat Batuk Real Simple Academy 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 18:48:00 - [4] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Ubat Batuk wrote: How can you compare a piece of hardware to EVE? did the cost of subscription go down? did SPs depreciate? wake up my friend! I agree that this change is unfair. Learn to read before you go criticizing CCP. I support CCP my friend, however I do not support the current management.
Ubat Batuk Real Simple Academy 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 18:58:00 - [5] - Quote Savira Terrant wrote: Ubat Batuk wrote: "If it worked before it will work after"... not true. To get to the maximum bonuses on BCs which BTW I already have, I will have to re-skill 3 of them! Most people do not understand the impact of this, see when that happens! I didn't ask for this change! Today I have BC 5, I can fly all BCs with max bonuses, therefore to be fair you have to give me BC 5 for all races. If I have BC 4 I must get BC 4 for all races. Are you seriously thinking that I am going to let this happen and keep quiet? I am losing in this. I want to continue playing EVE but I am getting more and more disenfranchised for every "expansion" which I am sorry to say it doesn't expand anything except for people's rage. Where is the expansion? I would call it reconfiguration to make things easy for noobs and give hell to people who have already invested lots of bucks into EVE. Do you recall how you killed incursions for example? I would like to recommend a couple of things to CCP: 1. Get a proper CEO 2. Get proper executive management 3. For speeches and videos use actors so that you get the best result 4. Recruit someone who helps you align to your customers' needs and priorities 5. Play EVE yourself with a standard character that you must train from scratch, just like me This is my 2 cents. Rage +1 People please read the DEVBLOG! If you have BC 5 and all four cruisers to 3 you will get ALL 4 BC skills to 5. Just how often does that need to be answeared?! And stating that you can fly all BC perfecly also means you already have all four cruisers to at least 3 - problem solved. Also: "disenfranchised" - are you serious? Only because you pay a subscription does not mean you are somekind of shareholder of CCP. Or how would you ever have had a right to "vote"? I have read the DEV blog and the fact that it's not clear to me it means it's not written well enough. To your other point, yes I can vote and I have the right to criticise a decision or things that I think are not right. Why would you have the forums then? You can ban me if you wish.
Ubat Batuk Real Simple Academy 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 19:02:00 - [6] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Ubat Batuk wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Ubat Batuk wrote: How can you compare a piece of hardware to EVE? did the cost of subscription go down? did SPs depreciate? wake up my friend! I agree that this change is unfair. Learn to read before you go criticizing CCP. I support CCP my friend, however I do not support the current management. If you had actually bothered reading the dev blog or any of the pages of this thread you would have realized just how stupid you sound. I don't sound stupid. But you comments previously did.
Ubat Batuk Real Simple Academy 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 19:03:00 - [7] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: It was quite clear to me and several other people. Just because you had trouble understanding it doesn't mean it wasn't well written. That is interesting. Let's see how many people get it. My point stands.
Ubat Batuk Real Simple Academy 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 19:06:00 - [8] - Quote Savira Terrant wrote: Ubat Batuk wrote: Savira Terrant wrote: Ubat Batuk wrote: "If it worked before it will work after"... not true. To get to the maximum bonuses on BCs which BTW I already have, I will have to re-skill 3 of them! Most people do not understand the impact of this, see when that happens! I didn't ask for this change! Today I have BC 5, I can fly all BCs with max bonuses, therefore to be fair you have to give me BC 5 for all races. If I have BC 4 I must get BC 4 for all races. Are you seriously thinking that I am going to let this happen and keep quiet? I am losing in this. I want to continue playing EVE but I am getting more and more disenfranchised for every "expansion" which I am sorry to say it doesn't expand anything except for people's rage. Where is the expansion? I would call it reconfiguration to make things easy for noobs and give hell to people who have already invested lots of bucks into EVE. Do you recall how you killed incursions for example? I would like to recommend a couple of things to CCP: 1. Get a proper CEO 2. Get proper executive management 3. For speeches and videos use actors so that you get the best result 4. Recruit someone who helps you align to your customers' needs and priorities 5. Play EVE yourself with a standard character that you must train from scratch, just like me This is my 2 cents. Rage +1 People please read the DEVBLOG! If you have BC 5 and all four cruisers to 3 you will get ALL 4 BC skills to 5. Just how often does that need to be answeared?! And stating that you can fly all BC perfecly also means you already have all four cruisers to at least 3 - problem solved. Also: "disenfranchised" - are you serious? Only because you pay a subscription does not mean you are somekind of shareholder of CCP. Or how would you ever have had a right to "vote"? I have read the DEV blog and the fact that it's not clear to me it means it's not written well enough. To your other point, yes I can vote and I have the right to criticise a decision or things that I think are not right. Why would you have the forums then? You can ban me if you wish. Are you seriously trying to lobby that only because CCP is gracious enough to host a Forum for us, that you have a vote? No. You have not. You may merely voice your concerns about gameplay here. Which you did - I give you that. But your concerns are nullified by the DEVBLOG and all the clarifications made in this thread already. No. My vote is my multiple subscriptions. When I decide to vote NO I will stop paying. Is that good enough to you?
Ubat Batuk Real Simple Academy 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 19:10:00 - [9] - Quote I support CCP my friend, however I do not support the current management.[/quote] If you had actually bothered reading the dev blog or any of the pages of this thread you would have realized just how stupid you sound.[/quote] I don't sound stupid. But you comments previously did.[/quote] Don't forget to fit the Damage Control II, it seems like you need it now more than ever.[/quote] I use all low slots for DPS, maybe you are the one who needs it.
Ubat Batuk Real Simple Academy 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 19:12:00 - [10] - Quote Are you seriously trying to lobby that only because CCP is gracious enough to host a Forum for us, that you have a vote? No. You have not. You may merely voice your concerns about gameplay here. Which you did - I give you that. But your concerns are nullified by the DEVBLOG and all the clarifications made in this thread already.[/quote] No. My vote is my multiple subscriptions. When I decide to vote NO I will stop paying. Is that good enough to you? [/quote] Yes. Neither CCP nor I need you to play this game. Simple as that. If you think that makes you "vote" than be happy with it.[/quote] I am afraid you will have to cope with this. But this is good, I like people who hate me.
Ubat Batuk Real Simple Academy 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 19:26:00 - [11] - Quote Ubat Batuk wrote: Savira Terrant wrote: Ubat Batuk wrote: Savira Terrant wrote: Ubat Batuk wrote: "If it worked before it will work after"... not true. To get to the maximum bonuses on BCs which BTW I already have, I will have to re-skill 3 of them! Most people do not understand the impact of this, see when that happens! I didn't ask for this change! Today I have BC 5, I can fly all BCs with max bonuses, therefore to be fair you have to give me BC 5 for all races. If I have BC 4 I must get BC 4 for all races. Are you seriously thinking that I am going to let this happen and keep quiet? I am losing in this. I want to continue playing EVE but I am getting more and more disenfranchised for every "expansion" which I am sorry to say it doesn't expand anything except for people's rage. Where is the expansion? I would call it reconfiguration to make things easy for noobs and give hell to people who have already invested lots of bucks into EVE. Do you recall how you killed incursions for example? I would like to recommend a couple of things to CCP: 1. Get a proper CEO 2. Get proper executive management 3. For speeches and videos use actors so that you get the best result 4. Recruit someone who helps you align to your customers' needs and priorities 5. Play EVE yourself with a standard character that you must train from scratch, just like me This is my 2 cents. Rage +1 People please read the DEVBLOG! If you have BC 5 and all four cruisers to 3 you will get ALL 4 BC skills to 5. Just how often does that need to be answeared?! And stating that you can fly all BC perfecly also means you already have all four cruisers to at least 3 - problem solved. Also: "disenfranchised" - are you serious? Only because you pay a subscription does not mean you are somekind of shareholder of CCP. Or how would you ever have had a right to "vote"? I have read the DEV blog and the fact that it's not clear to me it means it's not written well enough. To your other point, yes I can vote and I have the right to criticise a decision or things that I think are not right. Why would you have the forums then? You can ban me if you wish. Are you seriously trying to lobby that only because CCP is gracious enough to host a Forum for us, that you have a vote? No. You have not. You may merely voice your concerns about gameplay here. Which you did - I give you that. But your concerns are nullified by the DEVBLOG and all the clarifications made in this thread already. No. My vote is my multiple subscriptions. When I decide to vote NO I will stop paying. Is that good enough to you? In regard to my concerns, I did not read in Dev Blog that all racial BC skills will be at level 5 and it is still unclear to me despite you having clarified. After all you are not a DEV or a CCP rep...
Ubat Batuk Real Simple Academy 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 19:32:00 - [12] - Quote Learn to read before you go criticizing CCP.[/quote] I support CCP my friend, however I do not support the current management.[/quote] If you had actually bothered reading the dev blog or any of the pages of this thread you would have realized just how stupid you sound.[/quote] I don't sound stupid. But you comments previously did.[/quote] Don't forget to fit the Damage Control II, it seems like you need it now more than ever.[/quote] Oh dear! This ****** has placed a 5M bounty on me! See what happens now! Is this the way children play?
Ubat Batuk Real Simple Academy 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 19:34:00 - [13] - Quote Ubat Batuk wrote: Learn to read before you go criticizing CCP. I support CCP my friend, however I do not support the current management.[/quote] If you had actually bothered reading the dev blog or any of the pages of this thread you would have realized just how stupid you sound.[/quote] I don't sound stupid. But you comments previously did.[/quote] Don't forget to fit the Damage Control II, it seems like you need it now more than ever.[/quote] Oh dear! This ****** has placed a 5M bounty on me! See what happens now! Is this the way children play?[/quote] There you go, 50M... I can escalate further.
Ubat Batuk Real Simple Academy 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 19:38:00 - [14] - Quote Ubat Batuk wrote: Ubat Batuk wrote: Learn to read before you go criticizing CCP. I support CCP my friend, however I do not support the current management. If you had actually bothered reading the dev blog or any of the pages of this thread you would have realized just how stupid you sound.[/quote] I don't sound stupid. But you comments previously did.[/quote] Don't forget to fit the Damage Control II, it seems like you need it now more than ever.[/quote] Oh dear! This ****** has placed a 5M bounty on me! See what happens now! Is this the way children play?[/quote] There you go, 50M... I can escalate further.[/quote] You know what, I thought this should make you really happy, I have added another 300M.
Ubat Batuk Real Simple Academy 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 19:41:00 - [15] - Quote Savira Terrant wrote: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2589404#post2589404 is where I answeared to your concerns. Please this carefully. thank you for that, however this means that you get one racial BC skills at level 5. What about the rest? I can fly all BCs at level 5 now.
Ubat Batuk Real Simple Academy 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 20:07:00 - [16] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Ubat Batuk wrote: You know what, I thought this should make you really happy, I have added another 300M. Now bounty: 338,322,891 ISK. Yes, I just received a message from Concord that someone has claimed 11M...
Ubat Batuk Real Simple Academy 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 20:08:00 - [17] - Quote Ubat Batuk wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Ubat Batuk wrote: You know what, I thought this should make you really happy, I have added another 300M. Now bounty: 338,322,891 ISK. Yes, I just received a message from Concord that someone has claimed 11M... I will be monitoring the progress.
Ubat Batuk Real Simple Academy 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 20:26:00 - [18] - Quote Savira Terrant wrote: Ubat Batuk wrote: Savira Terrant wrote: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2589404#post2589404 is where I answeared to your concerns. Please this carefully. thank you for that, however this means that you get one racial BC skills at level 5. What about the rest? I can fly all BCs at level 5 now. // It is noteworthy to point out that if you donGÇÖt have a racial Cruiser at 3, then you wonGÇÖt receive the corresponding racial Battlecruiser skill. It is thus worthwhile to train all Racial Cruiser skill at 3, then focus on maximizing Battlecruisers before the reimbursement happens. // This part is especially for you: It tells you to train all racial cruiser to 3 in order to get all battlecruiser skills. If you honestly don't understand that from the devblog, all that's left for me is to ask you to voice concerns in a more productive (and nice) behavior next time around. You will get less annoyed answears then. OK, many thanks for this. I really appreciate your time and effort to help. I hope you are right and for now I am going to stick to your explanation. Are you saying that my posts are disrespectful?
Ubat Batuk Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 21:31:00 - [19] - Quote DancesWithVeldspar wrote: Ubat Batuk wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Don't forget to fit the Damage Control II, it seems like you need it now more than ever. I use all low slots for DPS, maybe you are the one who needs it. You need to start adding a few Co-processors. I give a +1 because it made me smile.
Ubat Batuk Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.02.09 21:40:00 - [20] - Quote Savira Terrant wrote: Ubat Batuk wrote: OK, many thanks for this. I really appreciate your time and effort to help. I hope you are right and for now I am going to stick to your explanation. Are you saying that my posts are disrespectful? Well, I do not want to judge on that. All I can say is, that the notions you made towards CCP tripped me off personaly, especially since they were based on a false understanding on your part. I mean I like how passionate players are towards their games - which holds true for EVE more than any other MMO I have seen so far - but resorting to insults towards a company producing my beloved game, gets me to the edge. I am really glad that this will be addressed in the proper way so that is a big +1 for CCP. Well done to all.
Ubat Batuk Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.02.10 10:21:00 - [21] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Ubat Batuk wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Ubat Batuk wrote: You know what, I thought this should make you really happy, I have added another 300M. Now bounty: 338,322,891 ISK. Yes, I just received a message from Concord that someone has claimed 11M... I can assure you that had nothing to do with my bounty. Honestly you just seemed like the type to get angry over even a small bounty amount. Judging by you dumping 350 million isk on mine it would seem I succeeded. :P I don't think so, you have placed a bounty on me for no reason, just because you didn't like my response in the forum. What if you knew my real credentials, would you stalk me in real life?
Ubat Batuk Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2013.02.10 19:07:00 - [22] - Quote if only you made it clear in the blog people would not have to come here and ask over and over. My 2 cents...